The Return of the Cowboy Dressed as a Diplomat

I think Barack Obama should rethink his approach to how he is fighting John McCain. The slogan "Change" fitted his battle with Hillary Clinton great; most Democrats wanted something different than what Hillary had to offer. The old John McCain represented the same sort of change that Barack Obama is talking about.

I believe Barack Obama should add to his stump speech, the fact that he will be the type of president that will look at issues with a balanced approach. McCain has proven he will fly off the cuff with wild emotional responses to issues in order to pander to his base.

McCain will respond by saying I stood up to my base in the past, but that was the past. The new John McCain has done nothing but pandered to the emotions of his base. How do we know what President McCain we will be getting? Or is he lying to his base?

He has already proving he has an itchy trigger finger by the way he attacks Russia's invasion of Georgia.

McCain's rants are like the old cowboy Bu$h. He is acting as if America is the only country with the big guns. Russia's President is making him look like a fool every day; they practically are ignoring the McCain approach that Condaliza Rice has adopted.

President Bu$h has already proven that McCain's get tough talk is nothing but a recipe for disaster. lets not forget that we took that aproach when we invaded Iraq. The Cowboys sold the invasion of Iraq like it was going to be a easy task. We are still trying to clean up that mess.

McCain act as if he didn't play a major role in creating the mess called the Iraqi invasion. Oh yeah, McCain thought the war in Iraq was going to be a cake walk. Now he is talking big & tough as if setting Russia in her place will be a cake walk.

It seems to me that the controversy surrounding Russia's invasion of the Georgian province has every thing to do with oil.

McCain has been campaigning & marketing an energy plan that says, drill now for energy independence, while his foreign policy is now about preserving another country's oil. who's energy independence is McCain trying to control in Georgia? It is definitely not Americas.

All McCain has to offer is endless wars, with his get tough approach as a foreign policy. I ask you, how long will a McCain administration get away with his cowboy diplomacy, before he makes himself look just as foolish as Codiliza Rice does, while she travel far & near back peddling away from their failed cowboy diplomacy in Iraq by calling for some form of civil conversation.

In real life. When a person starts a fight & then half way through the fight he or she say lets talk about this now. That only means you're getting your ass kicked. But, when a person starts off taking the high road, & the opposition refuses to; it gives the person taking the high road every justification for doing what it takes to survive.

Ask yourself what position do you want to start with. Do you want to be the bully, like Bu$h was before the invasion of Iraq. Their foolish cowboy approach caused them to buckle. Or, will you prefer being the person that starts off calmly looking for a civil way of solving the problem, & when left to no other alternative use military action?

Most Americans are civil people & not bullies. Most moderate Christians & religious people are taught to be civil in their approach.


Hello Mad Donkey

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I just want to say how glad I am to continue to read the great stuff Black Cell contributes, and now Mad Donkey is posting again. I just watched Hillary Clinton's speech and I must say it was fantastic. We can do it! The days of Bush and Cheney will come to an end, and President Obama can be inaugurated in just 4 months.


Hi Wayne :)

I am trying to keep an eye on the recent posts, and contribute what I can... But politics (and the media that accompanies it) in this age can drive me freakin' NUTS! I will dance a jig when the Burglar King his court of robber-barons are gone.

Hillary gave a great speech, alright. Bill did too.
For that matter, Kucinich ripped one off as well. I hear they had to scratch one of his best lines, which was:
"They"re asking for another four years. in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20."


This is how it should be done

Now it is time to pound McCain with the draft statement & when he flip flops question counter the flip flip to keep the story alive.

Republicans for Obama
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/26300609#26300609

McCain agree with the draft
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/26319891#26319891

Olbermann Slamming McCain
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/26279420#26279420

Can't leave out Rachel Maddow playing Smash Mouth Football

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/26278715#26278715

I think I am going to keep posting these punches. When McCain's conservative base start crying about the liberal media, I am going to post even more. =)

Smash Mouth Football


Georgia at War: What I Saw

The first thing that strikes me as soon as we are out of Tbilisi is the strange absence of military force. I had read that the Georgian army, defeated in Ossetia, then routed in Gori, had withdrawn to the capital to defend it. I reach the outskirts of the city, moving forty kilometers on the highway that slices through the country from east to west. But I see almost no trace of the army which has supposedly regrouped in order to fiercely resist the Russian invasion. Here we see a police station. A little farther on, a handful of soldiers, their uniforms still too new. But no combat units. No anti-aircraft weaponry. Not even the trenches and zigzagging fortifications which, in all the besieged cities of the world, are set up to at least slightly impede the enemy's advance. A dispatch received while we are driving announces that Russian tanks are now approaching the capital. The information is relayed by various radio stations and then finally denied, creating unspeakable chaos and making the few cars which had ventured outside the city turn back immediately. But the authorities, the powers that be, seem strangely to have given up.

Is the Georgian army there, but hiding? Ready to intervene but also invisible? Are we perhaps in the middle of one of those wars in which the supreme ruse is to let yourself be seen as little as possible, the way they did in the forgotten wars of Africa? Or has President Saakashvili deliberately chosen non-combat as a way to force us, the Europeans and Americans, to accept our responsibilities ("You claim to be our friends? You have said a hundred times that with our democratic institutions, our wish to become part of Europe, our government composed of -- unique in the annals of history - an Anglo-Georgian Prime Minister, American-Georgian cabinet ministers, an Israelo-Georgian Minister of Defense - is the first in its Western class? Well, now is the time to step up and prove it."). I don't know. The fact is that the first significant military presence we run into is a long Russian convoy, at least one hundred vehicles long, headed in the direction of Tbilisi, casually waiting to get gas. Then, forty kilometers outside the city, around Okami, we see a battalion, as usual Russian, attached to a unit of armored vehicles whose role is to stop journalists from going one direction and refugees from going the other.

One of them, a peasant, wounded in the forehead, still dazed and terrified, tells me the story of fleeing his village in Ossetia on foot, three days ago. The Russians arrived, and in their wake, Cossack and Ossetian gangs pillaged, raped and murdered. As they did in Chechnya, they rounded up the young men and drove them away in trucks, to unknown destinations. Fathers were killed in front of their sons. Sons were killed in front of their fathers. In the basement of a house which they blew up with propane cylinders they had collected, they came upon a family and stripped them of everything they had tried to hide and then forced the adults to kneel down and executed them with a single shot to the head. The Russian officer in charge at the check point listens to the story. But he doesn't care. In any case he looks like he has been drinking too much and he just doesn't care. For him, the war is over. No scrap of paper, a ceasefire, a five or six-point agreement- will change his victory. And this pathetic refugee can say whatever he wants.

II

As we approach Gori, the situation is different, the tension is suddenly palpable. Georgian jeeps are sprawled in the ditches on the sides of the road. Farther along is a burnt-out tank. Even farther along is a more important check point which completely blocks the group of journalists we have joined. And it is here that we are clearly told that we are no longer welcome, "You are in Russian territory now," barks an officer puffed up with importance. "Only those with Russian accreditation may go farther." Fortunately a car with diplomatic flags comes up. It belongs to the Estonian Ambassador, and is carrying the Ambassador and Alexander Lomaia, the Secretary of Georgia's National Security Council, who is authorized to go behind the Russian lines to look for the wounded. He agrees to take me with him, as well as the European deputy Marie-Anne Isler-Béguin and Tara Bahrampour from the Washington Post. "I cannot guarantee anyone's safety, is that clear?" Lomaia asks. Yes. It is clear. And we all pile into the Audi and head toward Gori.

After crossing through six new check points, one of which consists of a tree trunk hoisted up and down by a winch commanded by a group of paramilitaries, we arrive in Gori. We are not in the center of the city. But from where Lomaia has dropped us, before taking off in the Audi to collect his wounded, from this intersection dominated by an enormous tank as big as a rolling bunker, we can see fires burning everywhere. Rockets lighting up the sky at regular intervals, followed by short detonations. The emptiness. The slight odor of putrefaction and death. Most of all, the incessant rumbling of armored vehicles. Almost every other car is an unmarked car jammed with militia, recognizable because of their white armbands and their headbands. Gori does not belong to the Ossetia which the Russians claim they have come to "liberate." It is a Georgian town. And they have burned it down, pillaged it, reduced it to a ghost town. Emptied.

"It's logical," explains General Vyachislav Borisov, as we stand in the stench and the night waiting for Lomaia to return. "We are here because the Georgians are incompetent, because their administration collapsed and the town was being looted. Look at this," showing me on his cell phone photographs of weapons of Israeli origin, which he emphasizes heavily, "Do you think we could leave all this lying around without supervision? And let me tell you," he struts around, striking a match to light a cigarette, startling the little blond tank gunner who had fallen asleep in his turret, "We summoned the Israeli Foreign Minister to Moscow. And he was told that if he continues to supply arms to the Georgians we would continue to supply Hezbollah and Hamas." We would continue? What an admission! Two hours go by. Two hours of bragging and threats. Sometimes a passing car would slow, but it would change its mind after noticing the tank and speed off. Finally Lomaia came back, bringing with him an old woman and the pregnant woman he had pulled from hell, and asked us to take them back to Tbilisi.
III

President Saakashvili, accompanied by his counselor Daniel Kunnin, listens to my story. We are in the Presidential residence of Avlabari. It is two AM but the noria of his counselors is working as it would during business hours. He is young. Very young. With a youthfulness which can be seen in the impatience of his movements, the intensity of his gaze, his abrupt laughter, even the way he guzzles cans of Red Bull as if it were Coca-Cola. All of these people in fact are very young. All these ministers and counselors were students sponsored by various Soros-type foundations, whose studies at Yale, Princeton and Chicago were interrupted by the Rose Revolution. He is a francophile and speaks French. Keen on philosophy. A democrat. A European. A liberal in both the American and European senses of the word. Of all the great resistance fighters I have met in my life, of all the Massouds and Izetbegovics I have had occasion to defend, he is the one who is the most unfamiliar with war, its rites, its emblems, its culture - but he is dealing with it.

"Let me make one thing clear," he interrupts me, with a sudden gravity. "We cannot let them say that we started this war ... It was early August. My ministers were on vacation, as I was too, in Italy, at a weight-loss spa, getting ready to go to Beijing. Then in the Italian press I read, "War preparations are under way in Georgia." You understand me. Here I was just hanging out in Italy and I read in the paper that my own country is preparing for a war! Realizing that something was wrong, I rushed back to Tbilisi. And what did my intelligence services tell me?" He makes the face of someone who has posed a difficult riddle and is waiting for you to find the answer, "That the Russians at the exact moment they are showering the press corps with this garbage are also emptying Shrinvali of its inhabitants, they're massing troops and troop transports, positioning fuel trucks on Georgian soil, and finally, sending columns of tanks through the Roky tunnel which separates the two Ossetias. Now, suppose you are the leader of the country and you hear this, what do you do?" He gets up to answer two cell phones which are ringing at the same time on his desk, comes back, stretching out his long legs ... "After the hundred and fiftieth tank lines itself up facing your cities, you are forced to admit that the war has begun, and despite the disproportion in the forces opposing us, you no longer have a choice."

"With the agreement of your allies?" I asked. "With the members of NATO who have more or less slammed the door in your face?" "The real problem," he says, sidestepping, "is the stakes involved in this war. Putin and Medvedev were looking for a pretext to invade. Why?" He begins counting on his fingers, "Number one, we are a democracy and incarnate an alternative to Putinism as an exit from communism. Two, the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan [oil] pipeline goes through our country, such that if we fall, if Moscow replaces me with an employee of Gazprom, you, the Europeans, would be 100% dependent on the Russians for your energy supply. "And number three," as he takes a peach from the fruit basket which is brought to him by his assistant--"She's Ossentian, mind you!"--and then resumes, "Number three, look at the map. Russia is an ally of Iran. Our Armenian neighbors are also not far from Iran. Now imagine a pro-Russian government installed in Tbilisi. You would have a geostrategic continuum stretching from Moscow to Tehran which I seriously doubt would be doing business with the free world. I hope NATO understands this."

IV

Friday morning. I, along with Raphaël Gluksmann, Gilles Hertzog and Marie-Anne Isler-Béguin, the European deputy, decided to return to Gori which, according to the ceasefire agreement written by French President Nicolas Sarkozy and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, the Russians would have begun evacuating, and where we are supposed to meet with the Orthodox Patriarch of Tbilisi who is himself on his way to an Ossetian village where hundreds of Georgian corpses have reportedly been left for the dogs and pigs. But the Patriarch is nowhere to be found. And the Russians have not evacuated Gori. And this time we are blocked twenty kilometers short of Gori when a car is held up in front of us by a squadron of irregulars, who, under the placid gaze of a Russian officer, haul the journalists out of the car and take their cameras, money, personal objects, and finally even their car. So it was a false report, part of that habitual ballet of false reports at which the artisans of Russian propaganda seem to be past masters. So off we go toward Kaspi, halfway between Gori and Tbilisi, where the interpreter for the deputy has family, and where the situation is in theory calmer - but two other surprises await us there.

First, there is the destruction. Here too. But this time it is destruction which has apparently targeted neither houses nor people. What have they destroyed instead? The bridge. The train station. The train tracks, which are already being repaired by a team of logisticians who are being supervised by the head mechanic from his room because of a severe hip wound. And the electronic command system of the Heidelberg cement factory, built with German capital, which was hit by a laser-guided missile. "There were 650 workers here," the factory director, Levan Baramatze, tells me. "Only 120 were able to come in today. Our production machine is broken." In Poti, the Russians sank the Georgian war ships. They even hit the BTC pipeline at three different points. Here in Kaspi, they deliberately took out the vital centers upon which the region and the country both depend. In other words, targeted terrorism. The will to bring this country to its knees.

Then there is the second surprise, the tanks. I repeat, we are standing at the outskirts of the capital. Condoleezza Rice is at this exact moment giving her press conference. Yet out of the blue comes one of those combats helicopters whose appearance always signals the worst, flying at low altitude just above the treetops. And suddenly the few people still in Kaspi find themselves in the street, first in their own doorways, then jammed ten at a time into old Lada cars, screaming at everyone and especially at our drivers that the Russians are coming and we must get out. At first we don't believe it. We figure it's like the false rumor we heard the day before yesterday. But no, the tanks are there. Five of them. And a field engineering unit digging trenches. The message is clear. With or without Condoleezza Rice, the Russians have moved in. They move around Georgian lands as if it were conquered terrain. This isn't exactly like Prague in 1968, it's the 21st century version of the coup, slow, bit by bit, with blows of humiliation, intimidation, panic.

V

This time the meeting is at four AM. Saakashvili has spent the end of the day with Rice, the day before with Sarkozy. He is grateful to both for their efforts, for the trouble they took and the friendship they demonstrated, which no one can doubt - didn't he call "Nicolas" "tu"? And the Republican Presidential Candidate John McCain, "close to Ms. Rice," - hasn't he been calling three times a day since the beginning of this crisis? But this time, I find he has a melancholy air unlike that first night. Maybe it's fatigue, so many sleepless nights, the continuing setbacks, the grumbling which he can feel rising in the country and which we, alas, must to confirm: "What if Misha is incapable of protecting us? And if our ebullient young President only attracts more of the same? What if in order to survive we will have to accept the wishes of Putin and his puppet?" All of that must figure in the melancholy of the President. Plus something else on top of it, something cloudier and that applies to how to say, his friends' strange attitude.

For example, the ceasefire agreement which his friend Sarkozy brought and which had been written by four hands in Moscow with Medvedev. He recalls the French President, here in this same office, impatient for him to sign it, raising his voice, almost yelling, "You have no other choice, Misha. Be realistic, you don't have a choice. When the Russians come to overthrow you, not one of your friends will lift a finger to save you." And finally what a strange reaction when he, Misha Saakashvili, got them to call Medvedev but Medvedev sent word that he was asleep - it was only nine o'clock, but apparently he was already asleep, and would be unreachable until the following morning at 9 AM - here the French President got antsy again; his French yet again didn't want to wait--in a rush to go home? too sure that signing was what mattered, regardless of what was being signed? This is not how you negotiate, thinks Misha. This is also not how you act with your friends.

I have seen the document. I have seen the written annotations by the two Presidents, the Georgian and the French. I saw the second document, again signed by Sarkozy and given to Condoleeza Rice in Brégançon, for her to give to Saakashvili. And finally I saw the memorandum of remarks, written during the evening by the Georgians, a vital piece in their eyes. They managed to cross out - and this is by no means negligible - all allusions to the future "status" of Ossetia. They also got it to be specified - again, not a small detail - that the "reasonable perimeter" in which the Russian troups would be authorized to patrol to protect the security of the Russian-speaking population of Georgia be a perimeter of a "few kilometers." The territorial integrity of Georgia, however, is mentioned nowhere in either document. As for the argument of legitimate aid for the Russian-speaking people - we tremble to think what could happen if we consider the Russian-speakers in the Ukraine, the Baltic countries or in Poland, who may one day decide that they too have been threatened by a "genocidal" will.

The last word will belong to the American Richard Holbrooke, a ranking diplomat close to Barack Obama whom I meet in the bar of our hotel at the tail end of the night: "There is floating in this affair a bad smell of appeasement." He is right. Either we are capable of raising our voice and saying STOP to Putin in Georgia. Or the man who went, in his own words, "down into the toilets" to kill the civilians in Chechnya will feel he has the right to do the same thing to any one of his neighbors.

Is this how we will build Europe, peace and the world of tomorrow?

Here is a link to my blog called, "The Politico Insider."

URL Changed.
http://thepoliticoinsider.blogspot.com/


Intelligence, the new Elitism

It amazes me that Obama is considered too thoughtful and intelligent when he speaks. I mean, we are talking about the next President of the United States! Are people so acustomed to sound bite advertizements that they cannot follow an intellectual statement? Would they prefer someone who makes decisions without fore thought? I'm not sure what spending more on education will do if people are so easily bored and distracted.


McCain is a loose cannon

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McCain's brash bluster immediately following the Russian invasion of Georgia sure has cooled a bit, hasn't it? Has he thought better of threatening Russian with a military response? Has he flip-flopped on Georgia?

McCain called it a "3 a.m. moment," apparently referring to Hillary's primary campaign ad knocking Obama's perceived inexperience in foreign affairs. Well, experienced or not, do you want McHothead answering that phone? His reaction to the Georgia situation makes me wonder if he might hit "the button" and then regret it in the morning.

Personally I am hoping Obama picks Biden, which should put an end to the "no foreign policy experience" argument. Biden will have McCain for breakfast and his VP choice for lunch, kick the Clinton's to the curb, and no looking back.


The politics of fear.

I think it would be crazy for Obama to pick Bided as his vp. He is too polarizing & will turn purple States red, in a heartbeat.

I find myself having to shake off the repubs bluffs. They made me slam Obama in this thread with their bluffs. Where's the polling data showing Moderates & Independents, who voted for a Democrat the last election, have shifted in favor of McCain?

I also thought it was dumb to vote for a candidate based on race, Yet , McCain will pander to Jewish voters by putting Liebeman on his ticket... That is how they BLUFF you!! They bluff logic out of Dems.

Their base gets excited when they bluff the MSM; it is part of what is uniting their base. Just like we get fired up when our side bloody up.

Their bluff is causing the MSM to look baffled, lost & confused.

Biden,s experience doesn't mean anything to the repugs They chose the By$h Crime Family of the qualified Patriot, John Kerry.

The Repugs bluffed in Florida & Democrats looked baffled, while they stole the election right out of their hands.

What happened to the word fighting Dem???

Put these 2 links into your search engine & you will see how I stumbled, picked myself up & fought like hell until I controlled the situation. I did not show weakness by compromising.

The Shape of the Race Changes - Richard Baehr

Obama, Party Loyalty, and His Own Best Interest-Rick Richman

Then, watch this 3 part, 20 minute move & you will see how to fight Repugs.

Rikki-Tikki-Tavi (1975) - Part 1 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/v/0qhBxv7r5gg&hl=en&fs=1
Rikki-Tikki-Tavi (1975) - Part 2 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/v/d3sanpjm6cI&hl=en&fs=1
Rikki-Tikki-Tavi (1975) - Part 3 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/v/NKni2--mYkI&hl=en&fs=1

P.S. Going to school & helping save America is wearing me down.


Biden is not as polarizing as Lieberman

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Biden is a strong debater and strong attack dog ally of Obama. A good choice in my opinion.
Other the other hand, choosing Lieberman would absolutely destroy McCain's chances in November.

McCain should choose the same guy the Repug's arch-enemy GORE chose in 2000?? Limbaugh, Hannity and O'Reilly would turn on McCain so fast he'd wonder what hit him. I'm not sure how that would even be listed on the ballot since they're in separate parties -- could they be listed on the same line? Or would Lieberman have to come out of the closet as a Republican? A fake Republican who would do anything --even switch parties-- to get elected. What an attack ad that would make!

You talk about fighting Dems... I think Biden is certainly one. Unless that's what makes him polarizing, I don't know what your talking about. Besides, a two-party election is, by definition, polarizing. I think "polarizing" is merely a buzzword that can be used to denigrate a candidate when there's nothing REAL to pin on him or her.

Our real problem is that the media will spin our every move against us and spin even McCain's gaffes in his favor. The fact that he is a senile, addle-brained loose cannon hothead is a positive!

McCain has only begrudging support --as the "default" choice-- among even his own base. It wouldn't take much to dishearten them enough to make them just stay home. That's one big reason why the media is striving to keep the race looking close. The fact that it is still close lends credibility to McCain and helps him in the polls. Self-fulfilling prophecy. Should McCain choose Lieberman even the MSM won't be able to save him.

Our best chance, though, from a veepstakes perspective, is Romney. McCain choosing Romney will drive all the independents and moderates right back to Obama. I think he's going to choose Pawlenty. If he chooses Lieberman, he may have finally done something to justify his "maverick" label, but he just may also have an "accident" or "medical" problem that forces him to withdraw before the convention. The MSM likes the suspense, but I really believe the GOP won't even let him go with Lieberman.


I was totally wrong about Biden

GOPStopper

You were 100% correct when you said, " Biden is a strong debater and strong attack dog ally of Obama. A good choice in my opinion." No, a great choice.

I am seriously anticipating Barack Obama's speech; because, I don't think he can top Joe Biden. I m so happy Obama chose Biden as is running mate. The Biden, I saw tonight, represented everything I believe in.

I can't wait to vote now. They can lose & I will be proud of my vote, for the rest of my life.

I use to watch old speeches from political conventions on CSPAN. & I wished that I could see men like those, who spoke in those old clips.I just seen one tonight.

I can't wait to vote in November.

P.S. I was glad to see MD's first post, in a long time -- a few months ago.


Two rocking & Roaring speeches tonight

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Gore's and Obama's
Obama's is not over yet... but I had to comment... he is on fire!


RE

The point I was trying to make with Lieberman was: if McCain chose Leiberman it would be because he is Jewish. They are hoping they can get more Jewish voters from the Democratic Party. They know many Jews will support Leiberman regardless of his Party affiliation.

Why is it okay for a Jewish voter to vote for a person who shares their faith. But, if a black person does the same, it is ignorant.

If a Democrat who is a Mormon ran for office, he or she would practically win the Mormon State.

If a district was filled with Italian & an Italian ran against the incumbent that was... lets say Greek American. The Italians would vote overwhelmingly for the Italian candidate. No one would get away with saying it was wrong for Italian's to support their own.

What is not entertaining about Repugs getting their hat handed to them?

I have listened to Rush Limbaugh with my mom a few times. She found herself agreeing with him. I had to explain to her that if you voted for the candidate he recommended, it would undermine what she really believed. I then explained, the activist judges the repugs hate, made it possible for you to live the American dream.

I didn't do what many of the liberal pundits do in the MSM: meet the repugs half way, when it comes to accomplishing their goals. Here is an example.

Chris Mathews: ...The good guy has become the bad guy & the Bad guy has become the good guy because the conditions have changed on the battle field.

Clearance Page: That's right... We haven't had the kind of big thing that will shift thing in Obama's favor.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/26300472#26300472

Clearance Page, an Obama supporter, did a great job of marketing John McCain. He is inadvertently admitting Barack Obama is weak on National Security.

I have already explained why McCain is weak on National security.

A repug would look at this & say McCain is whipping them, & calibrate. They will also say, I wasn't going to vote for McCain, but I like the way he is fighting the liberal media.

That clip is filled with those inadvertent support for McCain.

McCain questions Obama's patriotism. Yet, no one questions McCain's patriotism. I am sure his record is filled with things like this:

Announcer: But when it comes to his record, American-made motorcycles like Harleys don't matter to John McCain. Back in Washington, McCain opposed the requirement that the government buy American-made motorcycles. And he said all buy-American provisions were quote "disgraceful." Surprised? You shouldn't be. This is the same John McCain who supported billions in tax breaks for companies who ship American jobs overseas.

McCain says Obama is playing the race card. But, no one has made him or his supporters denonce the books & McCain supporting blogs trying to make that assertion.

Politico is filled with paid employees of McCain calling Barack H. Obama a Muslim & questioning his patriotism. No one cares. Why isn't McCain being asked about those people?

Could it be that it is more entertaining to help promote McCain's positions & making the race closer, than asking his flunkies will they give members of the Bu$h administration a pardon.

Their are new ways to attack McCain everyday. Daily kos post them everyday. I have also been debating on politico's web site most of the summer. I have used many of the talking points & news articles that I post on this blog & my News blog to smash McCain's web workers.

The problem is their are only two people in the MSM who are effectively attacking McCain on a daily basis. That is Keith Olberman & Rachel Madow. The rest of them find themselves agreeing with Republicans & not hitting McCain in ways that will force the repub to back peddle.

Commentators like Clearance Page don't have it in their blood to accomplish what is needed to consistently defeat repug talking points. They aren't street fighters, like Ed Schultz, Randy Rhodes & the large number of Democrat who fight in the trenches everyday.

MSNBC & CNN are using too many moderates as commentators & not enough political pit bulls. The moderate commentators are inspiring people to not support Obama. They are saying things like: he is perceived as weak; he is trying to look strong. Trying to look strong on National Security is fake... a con.

If you watched the Rikki Tikki Ta Vi cartoon. You will notice he didn't try to look tough: he was tough.

Repubs will change the subject when we use info to refute their talking points. Here is an example.

When this info hit Politico, the McCain employees & supporters stopped attacking Michele Obama, because they didn't want issues like this to hit the air waves. They was not forced to spin their way out of their hypocritical slander of Michele.

John McCain Said He Didn't Love His Country
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hVeWZjB8zM

Faux News don't have a problem using talking points like this, when questioning Obama's supporters. Yes, it is a MSNBC clip but I don't see any McCain supporters responding to it.

I may have missed the hard ball show where Chris Mathews forced the McCain spokesperson to respond. Yet, I know Sean Hannity is asking every Obama supporter to respond to Rezko. They keep hammering away until people agree with their perspective. Obama's supporters, who are host, don't fight like that.

The point I am trying to make is: McCain will continue doing what he does well until he is forced to respond to his skeletons in his closet / hypocrisy. That is the way they play the game.

I hope I have given you some insight from my experiences of debating repugs so we as Obama supporter can be more effective in the battlefield. Because this is a battlefield... treat it like one or lose.


Good news

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Thanks, BC, for the explanation. I misunderstood what you were getting at in your previous post. I do agree with everything in your response. We Dems have a serious handicap to overcome, as McCain gets a free pass on every misstatement, gaffe and outright LIE, while Obama's truths are either unsubstantiated, debatable opinions, or pandering.

This comes from a reader response to Josh Marshall's Talking Points Memo:

"John McCain said that Karl Rove deserves a special place in hell for the false accusations against him in South Carolina. I think this place in hell also holds his Vietnamese torturers and, in fact, anyone who uses tortures. Well, John McCain is now working with Karl Rove's people to get elected. The very same people who slandered him. I guess he would work with anyone, maybe even his Vietnamese torturers to get elected."

We need to be hitting McCain hard with this. From joining up with Rove, the man who'd trashed him in SC, to ditching his ailing wife for the easy-money beer heiress/mistress, McCain has shown himself to be the worst kind of opportunist. Not the kind of "leader" you want running the country.

Now the good news -- MSNBC is giving Rachel Maddow her own show, after Countdown! As MSNBC discovers, and proves, going Blue can be profitable, how long before other networks come around. We could get some fairness and balance after all -- if it is not too late.


We still have time to make the corrections needed

I have to change my stance on the Russian vs Georgian invasion. The Russian military has committed to many war crimes.

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The politics of fear.

I think it would be crazy for Obama to pick Bided as his vp. He is too polarizing & will turn purple States red, in a heartbeat.

I find myself having to shake off the repubs bluffs. They made me slam Obama in thisvery thread with their bluffs. Where are the polling data saying Moderates & Independents, who voted for a Democrat the last election, have shifted in favor of McCain?

I also thought it was dumb to vote for a candidate based on race, Yet , McCain will pander to Jewish voters by putting a Liebeman on his ticket... BLUFF!!

Their base gets excited when from leaders bluff the MSM; it is part of what is uniting their base. Just like we get fired up when our side bloody up the other Party.

Their bluff is causing the MSM to look baffled, lost & confused.

Biden,s experience doesn't mean anything to the repugs They chose the By$h Crime Family of the qualified Patriot, John Kerry.

It is as any in the MSM are paralyzed & it makes our side looks weak on National Security. We have to fight them by turning their logic on its head.

Not showing you hand like Kos has done by showing the numbers of new registered Democrat voters.

The Repugs bluffed in Florida & Democrats looked baffled while they stole the election right out of their hands.

What happened to the word fighting Dem???

The Shape of the Race Changes - Richard Baehr

Obama, Party Loyalty, and His Own Best Interest-Rick Richman


Wow!!

If it is not the Clinton clones on the inside who have veered Barack Obama off track, who is it?

Her clones are in the MSM media saying things like don't chose Evan Bayh. Because, they know he will turn Indiana blue... Then Hillary has no chance to say "I told you so."

They are saying things like: when Obama give his supporters the heads up: "yes" he is playing the race card. What the heck is the chatter saying Obama is a Muslim "THE RACE CARD."

They are even trying to promote the polerizing Joe Bidens as a vp choice... You may as well ask Maxine Waters to be your vp choice.

I hear the Clinton clones are donating to the Repugblican Party: they are hoping like hell McLame wins.

They want her to run in 2012.

I HOPE Obama make a CHANGE & dump the Clinton clones on his team after the convention.

I HOPE Obama consider the source when he get advice from Democrats.

Yeah, I am sure Bayh voted for Hillary. But, he like all Americans, is an opportunists & will turn on her for the chance to have 16 yrs worth of power Hillary wishes she had.

We have the opportunity to divide the repugs base but Obama is giving them the ammo they need to counter us & him.

I almost want to throw up when I hear Obama trying to look tough by shallowly threatening Russia.

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Clinton Clones can't wait to vote Obama! ...Yeah Right!!

THE INDISPENSABLE HILLARY OR BAYH BAYH OBAMA

The Bush-McCain invasion of Iraq? The Iraq War was a collective decision supported by the American people and their representatives in Congress. Nevertheless, our prolonged stay in Iraq has greatly weakened our power, prestige and credibility in the world thus emboldening our enemies leading to Russia's invasion of Georgia with far worse to come. But Mickey Mouse in the White House is not the answer. Obama is failing the test as a candidate: he lacks the courage of his convictions, will not stand up for his beliefs, is deathly affraid of offending people and losing the election. Such men great leaders do not make. Such men are unfit to command in wartime.

Unless Obama picks Hillary as his running mate he will be crushed on election day and go down in defeat remembered by history as the second coming of George McGovern, the black Ned Lamont.

Other than Hillary it's Byhe Byhe Obama

Google: ApolloSpeaks-The Indispensable Hillary Clinton: The Revolt of the Femacrats and the Making of the Black Ned Lamont.

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Re: The Clinton Clones

The Clinton clones are blue State Democrats, who's votes have already been replaced with new voters in those states.

After we drag their butts into a Barack Obama Presidency, like Harriet Tubman dragged some slaves to freedom, they will be the people who will make Obama's second term a cake walk.


Fantastic thread

This a fantastic thread.

Just wanted to say, though, for those who haven't read Glenn Greenwald's book 'Great American Hypocrites"... You won't understand why HRC is over in Presidential Politics. Gender confusion is the bloody meat on the hook of the right wing, and they would love to smell it on Obama. If Obama takes this stink bait, it's over. He will be beaten to death by the gender politics of the right. She (her surrogates) tried to jump the shark tank with the "Testicular fortitude" and "three balls" (thank you Mr Carville)... It was wider than the English Channel and deeper than Snake River Canyon. If he takes this bait, he's over.
It'd be like avoiding the sharks by body boarding on a bloody baby seal. Plays directly into the "gender confused male/Castrating female" model that the Repubs want to face. They will send Maureen Dowd, Ann Coulter and Michele Malkin out to eat him alive. He needs to fight, not beg the Clinton's to fight for him. If he wants to win, he has to prove he can. Going to his big sister won't win the people he needs.


Don't fret MD

It was like watching a military strategy as McCain's advisers took out the MSM & many other assets to the Democratic Party. They bluffed us. That gig is over. We are coming back harder & more vigilant.

All Obama has to do is give us a Bill Clinton style speech; a speech that inspires us. Then hit the road with pep rallies: nothing but pep rallies. We will have already debated the issues; there is nothing left to do but engage in our liberal love fest until the election.

They want change. I want to change the Republican Party, for the better, with my vote for Barack Obama. The corrupt core is still running the Republican Party.They are still trying to divide America in the worse ways.

Don't fret MD. The American love fest is about to begin, & they can't stop it.

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OBAMA RAP SONG" BILLBOARD#1
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fretful times, fretful words :)

Since I can't promise to be correct, I can try to be honest. Honestly... I have more frets than the New York Symphony Orchestras' string section.
With Puma's pulling on Obama's right leg and Nader, in addition to the Green Party, pulling on his left, it's easy to think that Obama may have trouble in a close election. Wrong-old McJohn-old has deep fryers full of chicken-hawk Mcnuggets and the merger with the Burglar King is allowing for him sell Bush's Whoppers and pretend to "do it your way."

The new push is for a return to "civility in politics," which seems out to lunch, taking things into consideration, such as our countries new ranking as "endemic surveillance state," our budget, and the international attitude we have fostered with our decidedly UN-civil policies. "Love-fests" are not what I look for in politics. Rather, I sort of fear it, the way I sort of fear government expansion into private life and the "new populism." I fear that we may be watching the formation of another "New Center" of politics, which is further to the right than the one we saw form under Reagan. In the effort to "Get along" we may be allowing ourselves get yet another round of "liberalizing" laws on our private lives... An area which Obama has already shown himself pliant towards. The "get along" sentiments don't resonate with me... Sadly, I believe they seem an opiate for a society that has more need for just the opposite. With one in four of all prisoners on the face of the earth being within American Prisons, not counting the "Black sights" abroad and at home, we must consider what we mean when we say "Land of the free."

It's not just politics, or politicians, but a pervasive social climate of comfort over conflict that seems to be becoming the way for the American citizen. Current politicians, from both major parties, have earned the government in general, the low ratings it now enjoys.

This government is a ship of state with a severe list to the right, and "Creating" a new center for docile "moderates" to occupy doesn't cure the ballast problem. We are fed a steady diet of fast food cures by our "hyper-wealthy," which makes me as fearful of our cultures' ability to accept the new government powers as I am of the powers themselves. In Politics, I would rather see that fought and corrected than see a love-fest of moderate acceptance. That is what I thought I saw in Obama, and what I wanted to get behind... A hope for change. Not just a change to hopefulness.

I hope it is something that Gore addresses at the convention, but I won't hold my breath. It seems that, more and more, "the business of America is big business."
(Fret, fret, fret :)


I hear ya

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"Land of the Free" is sounding pretty Orwellian these days.
It's more like "Land of the Watched."
I saw an excellent movie this summer, the German film "The Lives of Others." It is about the East German Stasi's extensive surveillance of just about everybody. Excellent story. And it makes you think.

I am a little disappointed with Gore. He wouldn't run, and he's been awfully quiet, as if making an endorsement --or any move that would be seen as partisan-- will hurt his climate-crisis business. And it is increasingly seeming like this is just his business. Or maybe I also fret too much. Let's see if he gets offered a significant role in the Obama administration (I'd like to see him as VP again) and what he does with it.

Meanwhile there are many ways to get people to understand what's been happening since Reagan, and maybe even motivating some to action, but my favorite way is to introduce them to Thom Hartmann, whom I have recently discovered. His book "Screwed: the Undeclared War Against the Middle Class" is enthralling. And it is an easy read that really educates without seeming like you're being lectured to.

As for civility in politics, well, I don't think attacking McSame is really going to help Obama -- but attacking the GOP relentlessly while relentlessly linking McSame to Bush at every opportunity will work wonders. I think -- or at least I hope -- we're going to see some heavy hitting beginning with the VP announcement and the convention.


Excellent Book!

Gopstopper, I just wanted to say thank you again. You've made a Hartman addict out of me. "Screwed" was fantastic and opened my eyes to a lot. Particularly fond of his perspectives on the founders (esp. Thomas Paine), immigration and his opinions of the Reagan era.


Many thanks, gailwinds :)

I added the link to my "favorites."


Glad you liked my suggestion

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Glad you liked Hartmann, MD. I agree with you about his take on the Founders, which --as often the case with Hartman --is largely contrary to "common knowledge" but instead rooted in Truth. And thanks, gailwinds, for adding the link to the website.

I've been listening to Hartmann's show streamed on Airamerica.com for about a year. Although he is on at the worst possible time of day for me, and I often miss the show, I listen whenever I can. I finally started to read his books and choose Screwed first only because it was the only one in stock in paperback at my local Borders.

Today I picked up Shock Doctrine, by Naomi Klein. It's about 3 times as long as Screwed, so it will take me a while to work my way through it, but I'll let you know what I think of it.

Anyway, I feel a strange sense of pride in turning you on to Hartmann, so thanks for letting me know how much you liked the book.


You earned Hartmann a new fan and listener

Oh, yeah...
That book is like strong shot of good whiskey. Puts some heat in a cold belly, alright.

"SHOCK DOCTRINE" ties tons of things together. "Learned helplessness," the "KUBARK Manual"... The reverse engineering of the SERE program... sick stuff, sick people... She also connects it to the whole sick system of economics from the Chicago Boys. That book holds most others in a very meaningful orbit. A crucial puzzle piece, indeed. I consider it required reading material.
These people should go on public trial for what they are doing. No accidents.


With all the spying, how could we be so blind?

Hi GOPstopper:
Thank you for the Thom Hartmann reference, I'll definitely check it out.
All these new surveillance powers and the people get the cute little "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" monkey statues.
I would not hesitate to attack McCain. He is the head of the party, and that is a party which has lied to this country, their own voters and sold us out... And he's got a 95% for voting with BushCo. Yes, go after the party he represents. Go after the policies that have landed us where we are. I can't believe it was all an accidental.

The American people are being treated like livestock. Go to the mall. Go to Disney World. Take a vacation, win us a war. Eat up, don't worry about the economy, just spend your savings and we'll grow out of it. Don't worry about health care... Don't worry about anything, we're watching it all for you. Want to know what's wrong, you say? Well, that's classified, but we'll have a congressional hearing behind closed doors and you can hear about it during your evening ads-- er-- news. In the meantime, just get along with each other... Just like after Nixon, it's time for the nation to "heal." Don't bother your pretty heads about what you lost in the dark of the night, embrace the rising sun and thank God for new beginnings. Go to Home Depot and buy a new "Whatever-you-need" on credit.

I thought Andrew J. Bacevich was fantastic on Bill Moyers when he said we had become a country of consumption, and his is another book ( THE LIMITS OF POWER: THE END OF AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM) that I will definitely check out after seeing that program ( http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/08152008/profile.html ). Also Naomi Kleins "Shock Doctrine" is a must read, too. The issues we face haven't happened by accident, they are the result of our policies and the lack of them (just like Global Warming and it's denial "experts"). I would like to know that these people won't get back behind the wheel, like they did following our "healing" of the Nixon years. If we don't remove the scorpions in our beds, we should expect to get stung every night. I am sure they would advise us to heal rather than squash them, too... I hope we're sick of being stung by what keeps making us sick. Crush them, THEN heal.


Hi MD

I just watched that Moyers interview, it was fabulous! When Gore spoke of the oil crisis many said it couldn't be promoted if frugality was a necessary component. I never could understand how we could continue with our gluttony and still make beneficial gains as individuals and a country. So now what, does the governement step in or do we have to wait till people come around? The rise in the cost of oil has helped raise awareness (and I think Gore is secretly smiling) but is that enough? I pray that Obama can make a difference. If he indeed wants to take the country in a new direction, there is promise because of the inspired motivation of his supporters. The time is now! Thanks for the link.


It'd be nice to see 21st century WPA for the energy crisis

Hi gailwinds!
I am really glad to hear that you liked that Moyers episode. I was so impressed that I went out book hunting today - well, yesterday now, I suppose. Unfortunately, I couldn't find Bacevich's "The Limits of Power" at either of the stores I visited. It's burning up the shelves, so I got it held from their next order. They said they didn't know how long it would be.
The questions you ask are toughies.
I doubt the government is going to step in with this administration or the thin and compromised majorities that exist today, but, like you say, the inspiration and enthusiasm in the Obama movement could be the key. The rise in prices makes people notice, but it's because of the pain it inflicts on lots of people in this economy. Meanwhile, that money is used to pad the profits and inflate the PR machines of those giants who so effectively ran their denialists around the national media for years, effectively delaying the realization of the spot we've gotten ourselves into. I worry that the money the Corporatists suck out of our economy (particularly from the people who are already bled close to dry) drastically reduces the nations ability absorb shock, considering the threadbare state of the "Safety Net" after eight years of Bush and his "Free market" cheerleaders. Makes me worry about what damage they can do in the remaining time, or if they've set some sort of Eco-bomb to blow-up on the next administration.
The good news about the book hunting was that I DID get the book by Hartmann ("SCREWED"), which GOPstopper had recommended and it was fantastic. Near the end he brought up the energy picture and mentioned the reforms that Jimmy Carter had attempted in '79. By his estimates, had those protections remained, we'd be enjoying a boom "that would make the dot-com days look modest." We didn't keep those protections, but he also said that "If we undertake it with vigor and enthusiasm, it'll become a new goal and standard for the world." It's good to see Gore is going to speak at the convention, because I think the Government must play an active role... But there also has to be a private sector ready to cooperate, and I think he's done a lot to build that while he's been on that political "step program." I hope he is ready to start putting those two pieces together in the coming administration, whether he is willing to officially re-enter the political system or not. I still hope he hasn't taken that last "recovering politician" step yet... But he seems to be much happier since his exit from the "public sector."


The "McPrize"

LOL

Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far. Theodore Roosevelt

We (the stick) are all fighting. That was the biggest part of the problem, NOT Barack Obama.

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or Dressed As A Pundit?

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Obama's campaign needs to read this:
http://www.democracyarsenal.org/2008/08/a-pundit-not-a.html

Some highlights:
- "McCain just thinks that overreacting is the right reaction to everything. It’s a hysteria-based foreign policy."
- "Just think about the very likely scenario of McCain giving Iran/Russia a rhetorical ultimatum and Iran/Russia ignoring it. Now we are stuck - either we lose face by not following through on our threats or we follow through and go to war. We can’t afford such a reckless approach after the last eight years. For the next eight we need a president not a pundit."

And --very unusual for most blog sites-- the comments in response are even good; for example, "these comments by Vice President* Cheney lead me to ponder whether a President McCain might be closer to a President Cheney than Bush."

McSAME.

That's the label we need to pin on McCain. And hammer it home.


Military contributions shift — away from the GOP

Posted September 13th, 2007 at 4:05 pm

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Washington Monthly ran a fascinating series of pieces a couple of months ago with the perspectives of active and retired U.S. troops explaining what they’re looking for from Democrats. Most of those featured seemed less than enthralled by the Republican Party — which assumes it “owns” the military vote — but there was some lingering hesitation about Dems.

The conventional wisdom suggests it’ll be a while, a long while, until Dems are drawing considerable support from those in uniform. But if contribution patterns are any indication, it may not be that long after all. (via Time)

Assessed favorably this week by the war’s lead general, the presence of U.S. troops in Iraq appears to be causing a surge of another sort — and one that’s not positive for President Bush or the Republican Party. Since the start of the Iraq war in 2003, members of the U.S. military have dramatically increased their political contributions to Democrats, marching sharply away from the party they’ve long supported. […]

“People are saying now enough is enough,” said Lt. Col. Joyce Griggs, an intelligence officer who said she spent two months in Baghdad earlier this year, speaking for herself and not the Army. “If you’re a soldier, you’re going to do your job, do what you’re commanded to do. But that sentiment is wide and deep.”

The shift is more than just a few percentage points. In 2002, the last full cycle before Bush launched the Iraqi invasion, the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics found that 23% of military members’ contributions went to Democrats. So far in 2007, that number is 40%.

More specifically, the drop-off for Republican support within the Army is striking. Before the war, 71% of Army campaign contributions went to the GOP. This year, that number is down to 51%. So, the GOP’s advantage went from more than 2-to-1 before the war, to near-parity now.

Just as surprising is which candidates are benefiting from this shift.

[Barack] Obama, who has never served in the military, has brought in more contributions from uniformed service members — about $27,000 — than any other presidential hopeful, Democrat or Republican. “I feel that he’s the most progressive candidate and he stands for change,” Griggs said. “I believe he is that breath of fresh air that we need to get this country back on course.”

Among GOP candidates, Ron Paul, the only Republican who opposes the war, has brought in the biggest haul from the military since the start of the 2008 election cycle in January — at least $19,250. Republican John McCain, a Vietnam War prisoner who backs the administration’s policy in Iraq, has raised $18,600. Paul, who was a flight surgeon in the Air Force, got nearly twice as much from servicemen and women in the campaign’s first six months as GOP fundraising front-runner Mitt Romney and four times more than better-known candidate Rudy Giuliani.

“If you’re a Republican partisan, but opposed to the war, it is not surprising that you’d find Paul somewhat attractive,” said Ronald Krebs, a political scientist at the University of Minnesota who studies the sociology of war and military service.

The truth is, the very idea of the “military vote” has always been a mistake. Members of the Armed Forces generally reflect the diversity of the country. “This shows that the military does not quite fit the stereotype of this Republican monolith,” said Joyce Raezer, chief operating officer of the National Military Family Association. “The military in a lot of ways reflects the country. It’s diverse in a lot of ways. It’s not a surprise you’d see people exercising their ability to support a variety of candidates.”

True, but the perception, buoyed by some data, has been that the troops tend to vote Republican. These contribution changes may indicate a broader shift about the relationship between the Democratic Party and the military.

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Friday, 8 August 2008 06:33 UK

Heavy fighting in South Ossetia

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Night-time pictures of heavy shelling

Georgian forces and South Ossetian separatists have been exchanging heavy fire just hours after agreeing to a ceasefire and Russian-mediated talks.

Russian media reports said Georgia had launched a tank-led attack on the separatist stronghold of Tskhinvali, and airstrikes on rebel positions.

Georgia says it aims to finish "a criminal regime" and restore order.

At least 15 people are reported dead. Moscow called on the world community to work "to avert massive bloodshed".

At Russia's request, members of the UN Security Council are holding a rare emergency session to discuss a response to the escalating violence.

The BBC's Matthew Collin in Tbilisi says there has been a series of huge explosions and rocket fire in and around Tskhinvali.

Hundreds of fighters from Russia and Georgia's other breakaway region of Abkhazia are reportedly heading to aid the separatist troops.

'Perfidious step'

South Ossetian rebel leader Eduard Kokoity told Russia's Interfax news agency that Georgia had launched an all-out attack on the town of Tskhinvali, in what he called "a perfidious and base step".
SOUTH OSSETIA
Population: About 70,000
Capital: Tskhinvali
Major languages: Ossetian, Georgian, Russian
Major religion: Orthodox Christianity
Currency: Russian rouble, Georgian lari

The head of Georgian peacekeepers in South Ossetia said the operation was intended to "restore constitutional order" to the region.

The Georgian Minister for Integration, Temur Yakobashvili, said Georgia's aim was not to take over the territory but to finish "a criminal regime".

Days of fierce conflict have raised fears of a new war in the volatile Caucasus.

In a televised address, Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili earlier called for the bloodshed to end, but also warned the Russian-backed separatists not to try Tbilisi's patience.

A truce was later announced, with emergency talks set for Friday, but by nightfall, both sides were trading heavy fire.

Georgia accuses Russia of arming the South Ossetian authorities - who have been trying to break away since the civil war in the 1990s. Moscow denies the claim.

President Saakashvili has vowed to restore Tbilisi's control over South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

The Ossetians have traditionally had good relations with Russia, and North Ossetia is part of the Russian Federation.

Russia is hostile to Georgia's ambition to join Nato and has accused Georgia of building up its forces around the breakaway regions, where Russian peacekeeping troops are deployed.

BBC website readers have been giving their reaction to the current situation in the region:

Our government did everything not to answer shooting from separatists, but they continued even after Saakashvili's declaration. They were shooting for over 2 hour and our side was not responding.. I live in Gori, it is very near from Tskhinvali. I heard all the shooting. Even now I can hear some shooting. I'm praying everything will be OK. I hope our military army will kick out the criminals from our land.
Mikheil Sukhitashvili, Gori, Georgia

The Georgian nation and Georgian refugees from its breakaway regions, have been waiting for 17 years to return to their homes, but Russian FSB trained breakaway region leaders of south Ossetia and Abkazia did nothing to bring peace in the region. I believe Georgia has full constitutional right to bring law and order on its world recognised sovereign territory.
Otto, London

There are hundreds of "volunteers" infiltrating into the region from the Russian side. Russia does everything to stop Georgia form entering NATO and it is because of widespread ignorance of western Europe in recent years. That is what appeasement does.
David, Tbilisi

We all Georgians are for peace, but sometimes it is getting difficult to get peace without the battle. War is something rational in the sense of its aims and goals, but the results might be destructive not only for Georgia, but for whole region. The democratic world should contribute in solving this problem. By the way, the neglect of this problem from Western countries propagated the processes. God is with us!
lasha Chochua, Tbilisi

Unfortunately for international peace efforts in South Ossetia the recent Kosovo precedent has created conditions for South Ossetian independence and unilateral secession from Georgia. A independent South Ossetia is now both easily facilitated and there is no incentive for the South Ossetians to stay in union with Georgia. In edition there is no credible standing for Georgia to resist this under international law.
Mihilo, Buffalo, Ny

I applaud Georgia's decisiveness to finally restore the order at home and get rid of Kokoity, this local self-proclaimed "tzar" whose ambitions only led to suffering of his own people. As a Ukrainian, I believe that now it is time for Kyiv to fulfil its strategic partnership with Tbilisi by announcing its readiness to help Georgia militarily if Abkhazia decides to open their so-called "second front". Ukraine's involvement, on the other hand, will help cool down many hot heads in Moscow who advocate that Moscow gets involved in Georgia's affairs on the basis that many South Osetians and Abkhazians have Russian passports.
Dmitry Koublitsky, Detroit, USA

Georgia says: "I offer you an immediate ceasefire and the immediate beginning of talks"?!! Don't trust them!!! Army use heavy guns and MLRS "GRAD" against civilians: they are attacking Tskhinval right now. Words to you at the morning, swords to us at the night.
Mikhail, Tskhinval, South Ossetia

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A related tidbit the press hasn't touched on yet.

Just an added tidbit, which I thought you might be interested in, BC.

"What the Agency was seeking for its most valuable prisoners was total isolation, total secrecy, and total control. An Agency source recalled the quest as a puzzle. 'Where else in the world could we put them, outside Guantanamo?' A CIA task force was launched to scour the globe. The mission was an international exercise, as another Agency source put it, in researching 'how to make people disappear.'
"One obvious choice was Afghanistan. For the same reason that the White House could argue that Afghanistan was 'a failed state,' unbound by international law, it was also an ideal spot for secret CIA prisons. Several other allied countries, including a number of former Soviet satellite states who were hoping to win U.S. favor for their ambitions to join NATO, also agreed to host ghost prisons. Although their leaders have denied it, multiple credible reports have identified Poland and Romania in particular as host countries. The irony of the United States rewarding striving democracies, with histories as police states, for their help in secretly interrogating prisoners outside the protection of law evidently was not dwelled upon. 'We told them we'd help them join NATO if they helped us torture people,' a cynical former CIA officer said.
"The precise locations of these clandestine prisons, which are referred to in classified documents as 'black sites' remain among the governments most tightly held secrets."
--Jane Mayer, "The Dark Side"
PPS. 147 & 148

Cheney is on his way to Georgia within the month, apparently.


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